Teach, Dance, Write: What Can’t David Paris Do?

Episode 30

[00:00:00] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Hi, I'm Dr. Chloe Carmichael,Clinical Psychologist and your host of the High Functioning Hotspot, where he gets to talk to interesting high functioning people from all over the world. Today's guest David Paris, has been a multi time finalist on America's Got Talent for acrobatic dancing. He's also an author. He's also a New York City school teacher, and he's an incredible story of survivorship from Covid. He was actually hospitalized and in a coma for 32 days and had some incredible stories to share about it. So without further ado here is David Paris.

[00:00:38] So David Paris, thank you so much for joining me for the High Functioning Hotspot.

[00:00:44] David Paris: Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to join you. And I was listening to your other podcasts with people explaining what's high function, high functioning for them, and just so excited to share my story.

[00:00:56] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Thanks. Yeah, I'm glad you decided to come.So you know, learning a little bit about you as well.I had a chance to read your bio a little bit, but for listeners, maybe you could just give us a quick overview of yourself and your very interesting backgrounds.

[00:01:12] David Paris: Sure! I am a school teacher of 28 years in New York city, a middle school teacher of social emotional learning the last five years and 20 years before that my biggest claim to fame is I was America's got talent finalist for acrobatic dance and seven time acrobatic dance champion. So on the weekends, I have for a very, very long time. I just love throwing people in the air, catching them, looking beautiful and making people happy, making myself happy. That's my biggest passion. I'm also an author. I wrote three adolescent novels for kids, especially for reluctant readers. And I recently just wrote a Memorial of my experience with COVID having been hospitalized 88 days and in a coma for 32 days and offering both in uplifting and I think pretty funny experience for those people for COVID fatigue. It won't it'll, it'll feel both uplifting and there's, you're guaranteed to laugh. There are lots of great stories in there.

[00:02:06] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Okay. Well, that's good. Everybody likes to laugh. How did you get into acrobatic dance?

[00:02:12] David Paris: Yeah, it was an interesting start. I was a, when I started teaching in the South Bronx, all of my students translated for the Spanish speaking parents for me and I kind of quickly got it, that they weren't translating the, there were, they were acting inappropriately.

[00:02:27] And they probably say, oh, my teacher loves me. And I said, you know what? I really need to learn Spanish. This is not working. So my first year after teaching, I went to Guatemala, learned Spanish in intensive study and went to a club and I saw this really ugly guy dancing with all these beautiful women.

[00:02:43] I thought to myself, I have to learn to dance. This is just great. And I came back to New York and it said, this is the best place in the world to learn partner dancing and Latin dancing. And I studied under the mumble king. And I got to say I was really bad at it, but I did not give up. I was something that was such, such a pleasure to be dancing with women, dancing, this beautiful beautiful music.

[00:03:06] And eventually I said, you know what? I want to join a team. And they said, look, you're not that good, but maybe you could do the lifting. So that's when I got to acrobatic dancing. I, I joined a team in which the leader of the team said, you know what, my wife and I fight all the time. Can, can you do the lifting?

[00:03:20] So all these great dancers would come on stage looking beautiful and halfway through I'd come in, throw up in the air, flipper a crowd, go crazy, and I'd go off stage. And then it turned out that to some degree, I was the biggest, the best part of the show. And I thought to myself, you know, maybe forget this dancing thing.

[00:03:36] Maybe I'll just do the acrobatics as a dance. And that launched my acrobatic version of the career, which now is a little more popular, but back then was unheard of.

[00:03:45] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Wow. That's amazing. So I have to applaud your adaptability. When are the markers of high-functioning people really is the ability. The adoptive, it's nice to be able to choose the goal and be tenacious about it.

[00:03:58] But at the same time we have to be adaptable. So it's awesome that you were able to say, okay, well, I wanted to be dancing on stage, but it looks like maybe my skillset is to be on stage of part of the dance, but maybe doing a slightly different role and you were able to locate and really play to your strengths. So that's really awesome.

[00:04:19] David Paris: A lot of people, they really focus on the belief and the power of just believing in yourself. And I do believe in that too, until I saw myself on video. And I thought, ah, you know, and reality hit me hard in the face when as much as I begged the different teachers and promoters to say, Hey, can you get me on stage?

[00:04:36] And they all said, no, that's when it became clear, I got it to adapt to something different.

[00:04:41] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: But then again, I think that's really the mark of a high functioning person, you know, instead of getting mad at those people and kind of shooting the messenger. That you were able to say to yourself, like, okay, well, what parts of this are in my control?

[00:04:54] How can I just, you know, keep it moving basically. And so that's what you did, so that's awesome. And then how did it all culminate in you eventually getting onto America's got talent.

[00:05:05] David Paris: Yeah, it's interesting. I was on season four. The story I like to tell though is I was actually trying out on season 2. I said Jacob Javits Center with 10,000 people.

[00:05:15] And in season 2 we did the exact same routine audition routine. In season four. We didn't get beyond the associate to the associate producer in the first round they cut us and they said, oh, well, we'll call you. And everyday I would call them back and say, are you calling me yet? Are you calling me?

[00:05:29] And then they did it. And again, I didn't give up. And in this case I didn't adapt. I really believed in our story. And at the time my dad's partner and I, I don't know what changed, but probably was the story behind who we were. Season 4 we got married and they love that story. So suddenly it became like a, you know, intermediate level, a worldwide talent.

[00:05:49] Oh, they have a beautiful story. So in season 4 they totally went with that marriage story and the love, and they totally got these clips of me massaging her feet and being so kind and a picnic in the, it was a beautiful, beautifully crafted reality show. And they, you know, we, we do something special.

[00:06:06] My partner is a hundred pounds. A good day, quite more than that. And she lifts me over her back and that was like the big routine where she lifts me, which I'm two and a half times sometimes more than that, than her weight. So we did that on the show and they told it was interesting. We tried out against season four.

[00:06:24] They told us, okay, do your best trick first, get the crowd behind you. And sure enough. Before we get on stage, we suddenly hear buzzers. And I didn't know, there were buzzers on the show and not only the buzzers but thousands of people booing people. They don't like it, I'm like, oh boy, this is going to be a tough crowd.

[00:06:40] But the producer said, we're going to hook you up. Do your first best trick. First, we did got a standing ovation, 15 seconds into the routine. You can check it out on Parodizo dance on YouTube. And that launched a career that really went from mildly successful too. We traveled all around the world for two years. It was really fun.

[00:07:00] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: That's awesome. And did the traveling stop because of the pandemic or it just kind of petered out?

[00:07:06] David Paris: Oh, sure. Well, we broke up, so Zoe, she got really tired of my dance partner and wife and the next wife. We still danced together, but we broke up the marriage. Did a big dent into the traveling business.

[00:07:20] It's exhausting to travel. I loved it, but she did not. And she wanted a more peaceful lifestyle. So, and she went to pursue a different type of dance actually. But again, talking about that, that adaptivity. Yes. I certainly didn't give up with her. We just did travel. We lived on opposite side of the coast and still did lots of shows.

[00:07:40] Just not as many as we used to. And then I got different partners and formed the dance team. And my, probably the coolest thing I did. There's this one woman named Rose Dennis came to me at 67 years old and said, I never danced acrobatics in my life, but I want to learn acrobatics. And I told her for four months, no way, you can't, you can't come to my class. And finally I let her in.

[00:08:01] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Why did you tell her she can't come?

[00:08:03] Oh, I thought I'd get sued. She got hurt. I thought you, if she was that old, I thought I was wrong. I was absolutely wrong, but there's proven wrong gladly, but I thought, oh, she comes in this class and she's never done that acrobatics. There's going to be, you know, maybe she had training.

[00:08:20] She was 67. Yeah. So what was interesting about her story is, and one of the things I'm proud of is it took about three years, maybe two and a half years, but over those two years, I gave her private lessons and then we would do standing ovation routines that you can look up Dave Paris and Rose Dennis and you'll see some standing ovation shows that we used to do and It just shows you for her persistence and what both minds said, okay. It's not going to be what it used to be, but let's go ahead and show a positive message to the world. And then we did some traveling, which was a lot of fun.

[00:08:53] So you were a school teacher and you were traveling with dancing, and then now you're teaching school again.

[00:09:00] David Paris: Yes, I've always been teaching and I've always done the acrobatics on the weekends. There are some years I take just the full-time work, dancing, but almost every year I was doing this on the weekend at night, and then, you know, working all day and then at night, just rehearsing and it's a passion for me.

[00:09:15] So it was just a joy to like and, and often comical. My principal sometimes says I treat my job like a mistress. She wanted me to, you know, make it my full passion, but it's just not who I am. I'm passionate about many things.

[00:09:28] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Yeah. Are you from New York?

[00:09:30] David Paris: I'm from New York. Yeah. I may not have a strong accent, but every once in a while it comes out.

[00:09:34] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Yeah. Well, I spent about 20 years there. But my Midwestern accent, you know, still comes out as well. So that's interesting. You know, I was curious about that, you know, as far as you mentioned, like the interest, of course, in beautiful women and enjoying that for dancing, I was curious, like, if that impacts you from the relationships side, when you know, you're in a relationship and you're, you know, throwing beautiful women around all night, you know, does that ever get hectic?

[00:10:02] David Paris: Yeah, sure. There's a famous thing in the dance scene. You can, you always know a relationship is serious when the, when the couple disappears and you always know the relationship is over when they show up, back on the social dancing again.

[00:10:15] And so for most relationships the dancing does cause quite a division. If both dancers, if one of the dancers are not as serious or not a dancer, then it can cause tremendous havoc. For me in my. I actually only was in relationships, the people I was dancing with. So that never was an issue except once.

[00:10:37] And my girlfriend at the time, didn't really like what was happening in close more jealousy. She was upset that I was more passionate about the dance than her. And to be fair I was. Yeah, and, and that, and that can be trouble and, and certainly gonna challenge jealousy, but in a good relationship where you know what the dance is and you're communicating well, and you don't mix the dance up with with anything that would be inappropriate in a relationship it's clear, but you can't know that unless you're really a dancer or you're super secure in yourself and your partner.

[00:11:11] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: So when and how did you get into writing books? Are they self published or did you use a publisher

[00:11:18] David Paris: Self published at the moment? Who knows if it'll ever blow up, but it came from just a passion of telling students stories. People would ask, Hey, why the lights go out? And I make up a story that the kids were intrigued by.

[00:11:30] And then one day I started teaching a classical social-emotional learning. And in that we meet as a, me, the circle work and goals, work on connection. And I said, you know what? I'm going to work on writing a book while you guys work on your goals. And I was always explicit with my process, my struggles and in doing so they could, they had a model.

[00:11:48] For what it was like to try to achieve a goal and, and having adults, they know not what you should do, but this is something all human beings struggle with as they tried to do something. And from that, I was able to write, in my opinion, a phenomenal adolescent book for reluctant readers, they're all short stories called Laughable Legends about different things that have corollaries to what's happening in the world.

[00:12:11] And then after that, I was so excited. I wrote to satires about. Donald Trump becoming president and then Donald Trump's presidency was called middle school, election and middle school president.

[00:12:20] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Is that hard for you as a teacher to be writing books that could appear to be taking a political position?

[00:12:28] David Paris: Yeah, absolutely. I went out of my way to make it as I'm a firm believer of presenting information to on both sides or multiple sides of an issue so that kids can decide for themselves and then teaching them the critical thinking skills. For not just having, knowing what they believe, but being open-minded.

[00:12:45] I find the most open-minded people in the world are middle school students, more so than elementary and more so than any other age, because they are thirsty for knowledge. And I've seen them change their minds on a whole host of issues, death penalty, abortion gun, animal rights, gun rights when presented both sides and I let the kids argue it out.

[00:13:03] So the books do that. The books are especially in middle school election, they're just historically accurate. And I always have characters from either side presenting. My, some will say that it's a little, I have arguments from the right wing. When friends who said, Hey, till to left wing I've arguments from the left wing, who said it's two it's two right wing.

[00:13:22] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Well that's a good sign of a good book.

[00:13:24] David Paris: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I said, I got it. I got the right balance then. And it's not entirely, I want, I want it to do is just chart. Not only historically what happened, but I want to make it. Interesting for kids. So kids can read the book and they may not get that it's a reference to a Donald Trump. They will just get, it's an interesting character named Kevin King, who this is how he became president. And this is what he confronted during his presidency.

[00:13:51] And these are how people from both sides were arguing what was happening and but if you read it with an adult who knows the stories it's footnoted so thoroughly that there's every everything that, everything that happens, every paragraph has a footnote to something that happened in a real world and something they could look up if they so choose. Or if I have adults who read it, who love reading the footnotes side by side with the story and they really enjoy it.

[00:14:14] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Yeah, that's great. I just remember for myself in graduate school. It was so frustrating because whatever opinions the teachers had I always felt like I had to act like I had those opinions too so that I could get an A on my papers and everything.

[00:14:31] David Paris: And that's the reality. You're not making that up. I'm getting my degree now for teaching dance in the schools. And as I'm just working on a paper this morning, I was thinking I could make the argument that I really believe in and get a better grade, or I can just repeat what this person was writing in her paper and sorry, and then get a better grade. Or I could say what I really think. And it's an interesting challenge. As being almost 50, I'm going to go with what I think ‘cause I don't care anymore, but I know that problem back in the old days. It is problematic when gatekeepers hold the value of your work with their grades.

[00:15:12] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Yeah. I think especially for educators and especially like you said with middle schoolers it can be challenging because by taking on your viewpoint to please you, they can actually start blurring what is their viewpoint? They’re so malleable.

[00:15:26] David Paris: I see the best teachers don't share their opinion. And I go out of my way as when we do non-fiction units, I never share my opinion and I always share multiple perspectives and nuanced perspectives. And I've seen the opposite. I've seen a teacher on the right wing who is saying that Clinton was run by the Russian common said something really, really alt-right.

[00:15:47] And with only present alt-right. And I challenged her on it and I said, “Hey, look. You can do this. It's fine. But you got to share everything” She says, “oh, I'll do that.” And then there's another teacher in the room. She says, “No, she never does that.” And then I have the same thing going on the left. I see that but then I also see a lot of teachers teach really, really with integrity about presenting all perspectives and thinking skills, which I think ultimately is what we want for our students.

[00:16:10] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Yeah, definitely. That's awesome. So I know that we only have a short time and I really also want to get to a really exciting part of your story, which is that you were in a coma. You contracted COVID. And then you were in a coma for 34 days?

[00:16:29] David Paris: Yeah, 32 days. Back in March, I contracted COVID very likely for my brother. I was socially distant. He was the only person I had contact with. It turns out he didn't know, but he had it and he's my same age, same size. And he was fine after a week. I went eighty-eight days in the hospital and 32 days on a ventilator and ECMO machine, which the ECMO machine is for people who won't make it on the ventilator and need even more work.

[00:16:54] So I'm very, very fortunate that I went to a hospital that had an ECMO machine, but I was one of the earliest people that contracted COVID. They said I was the sickest person in the hospital with COVID and everybody else who was that sick died. And they called my recovery miraculous.

[00:17:13] So that's somewhat high functioning. I can take no credit for that. That I think is both the doctors and the prayers of people who prayed for me. But I will take some credit because there was a moment when I woke up, I remembered all of my dreams. No, not all. I shouldn't say all but I remember quite a lot of them, certainly the milestone ones.

[00:17:32] And I remember quite early, I did recognize the moment I was going to die. I was in a theater and I looked at a spirit, this Japanese Buddha. It looked at me and it was a gatekeeper and I asked them, “Hey, am I going to live?” And he couldn't give the words. He was so sad, but just decided to paint a white stripe on the side of his face.

[00:17:51] And with that white stripe, he let me know that no, I was going to die. And at that moment, the biggest terror I can feel the goosebumps moment just recalling that even a year later. The biggest terror came over me and I pleaded for him and he kept telling me “No, you're going to die.” And it was hours of pleading until he finally said, “I'll give you a chance.”

[00:18:11] And that was a part of me that never gave up with Latin dance, even though it wasn't very good. It's a part of me that fought through being a school teacher in the hardest times. And I said, “You know what? I absolutely want to live”. And I did. So there is a high-functioning part about not giving up that absolutely is an element of who I am.

[00:18:29] And although sometimes I also give the doctor's credit and really New York city credit, because if New York city didn't flatten the curve there would have not been in the hospital beds and not enough machines. The ECMO machine is what saved my life. So I have a lot of people to thank for this.

[00:18:45] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Wow, David, that is such a powerful story. And I'm glad that you do give yourself credit. I mean, obviously the doctors and the machines, I mean to me, that's a given. And personally, I've known some of the doctors who have been on those front lines and I just know that we're all so grateful.

[00:19:02] At the same time, I do think it's important that you give yourself the credit as well. You had that will to live. As a psychologist, as a Clinical Psychologist, a lot of my training was actually in hospitals. And so looking at the psychology of people who are critically ill and recognizing the role of attitude, even potentially in a coma that there obviously was so some kind of activity happening in your brain that you were manufacturing this scene that you described, at least that's what I'm assuming. Maybe, I don't know but the scientist in me is just going to attribute it to your brain manufacturing that scene with the Japanese person.

[00:19:52] Yeah, the Buddha and the fact that you wrestled with that and that it was so clear for you that for hours or however long, the time actually was who knows. It could have been days. It could have been minutes, who knows. But your will was so clear that there was no ambivalence, that there was an insistence that even on that precipice and even with that sadness, and even with that fear, you didn't lose your resolve. And that you were able to really lean into it and fight for your life. That's really powerful.

[00:20:26] David Paris: I didn’t know you were a psychologist in the hospital. I devote a whole chapter to this amazing relationship I had with my therapist. And I'm such a big advocate of what you do and what she did. I was so scared. I was crying every day multiple hours over the shock and the trauma. And this woman just was just able to hear me, nurture me and put me back on my feet in a way that I'm just super happy with what resources given to patients and, and a big advocate for everybody else. That mental health piece is so key in recovery and especially when you come out of any traumatic experience.

[00:21:07] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Yeah, it is. The Greek roots of psychology for psyche actually is the Greek meaning for that is spirit.

[00:21:16] So there really is a lot of overlap there. I was a yoga teacher before I was a Clinical Psychologist. I don't work obviously in hospital settings now. That was just part of my training, but I'm really glad that I had that training. It really gave me a lot of insight, just kind of about the parameters of what mental health or physical health can be.

[00:21:38] So that's really such a powerful story. Do you ever think back to that time? And I love how you're connecting it as well to the gritty part of you that was able to just get out there on the Latin dance floor. Or just get out there and do whatever needed to be done. That sense of resolve and determinism. Do you feel like you had any big takeaway from that? Do you ever reconnect with that Japanese Buddha figure? If you go into meditation or anything like that?

[00:22:10] David Paris: I go to it all the time. Every day. There's not a day I don't live that I'm not. Sometimes, less so now than it used to be but those first six months coming out. A lot of coma survivors will say this, that when you're near death, you experience a level of lightness that makes it very difficult to come back to the world. And I'm sure you've met patients like that.

[00:22:38] And I certainly was like that at any time. Every single time I woke up, I would think “I'm now back into this reality, do I really want to be here?” And it was only connecting to that moment that not only connecting to it, not because it was a result to live, but it was a wanting to live. And then resolving, “Well, why do I want to live?”

[00:22:58] And I know why- I want to dance again. I want to go back on America's Got Talent. I want to be a better teacher. There are books I still need to write. There are connections I still need to make. And when I wake up and I have that moment of doubt, it's only when I connect to my passion, my love that I go, “Oh yeah, I do want to be here”.

[00:23:18] And any level of pain or ambivalence, just washes away with the inspiration of what I really want the most.

[00:23:27] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Yeah, that's so powerful. I kind of reminds me, in my book Nervous Energy: Harness the Power of your Anxiety I shared this story about when I was a teenager, I had a boyfriend that tried to commit suicide and I was with him in the hospital while he was in a coma.

[00:23:45] And there was quite a consensus that he may not wake up from the coma. He's actually now passed away. He passed away years later, he was just a troubled person. He made it out of that coma though. And I remember the moment, I get emotional talking about it, but I remember I picked up his hand and I put it on me.

[00:24:09] And when he felt my body, he started to come too. I think that there is something, as you said about just really connecting with what we need and what we want. That's so powerful. So what is the name of your book that you wrote about this experience?

[00:24:28] David Paris: Yeah. If I could just add it's a beautiful thing, a beautiful moment you just shared. And people will often ask me, “Are you awake? Or it doesn't make a difference the energy brings outwards”. My dance partner had them playing 24/7, all of my favorite salsa songs and our performances. And I know I spent weeks dancing in the best environments and the best clubs and, and the best shows and had a great time to some degree which is why sometimes I wonder “how much did I really struggle?”

[00:24:57] Because a lot of it was quite fun when I was in on the drugs I was on and in the dream world

[00:25:06] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: But that was reconnecting you with your reason.

[00:25:10] David Paris: That's right. And in essence it was doing that. Yeah, definitely. So my book is called A COVID Story. You can find that on Amazon or my website-- davidparisbooks.com. And I offer it for free digitally. Just email me and say, “Hey, I'd like a digital copy”. I'm quite confident it will both make you laugh.

[00:25:31] Some people cry, but everybody feels warm. Because it's not just a story about COVID, it's about a story about recovery, about community. I don't write it from just my perspective. There are over 30 voices of the medical community who are sharing their perspective. It's an oral history of what happened.

[00:25:48] Easy read. Because I'm a middle school teacher in New York city, you'll read it really fast and be entertained. As a middle school teacher, if you're not interesting, you're going to have a really hard time with those groups of kids. So that's the way I write. There's not one person except a family member who didn't like the book. So I'm pretty sure you'll like it..

[00:26:09] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: davidparisbooks.com or on Amazon. And we'll put those links in the show notes. And then I'm curious though, too, as you said, it's kind of an oral history, I think is the word that you used. I'm curious if you're doing an audible version because a lot of people do want to hear these stories.

[00:26:29] David Paris: Yeah, I haven't done it yet. It's on the agenda and I'm going to put it out probably on YouTube and make an audible. I read maybe 3% of the books I read. 97% I listen on audible.com. So I should make it available. I just haven't got to it yet. And because I'm a middle school teacher, I talk with a little bit of a rhythm that'll make the story come alive more. Haven't done it yet, but it's on the agenda for sure.

[00:26:56] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Yeah. I think that the audible is important. Both of my books, I did on audible as well. And I think, especially for the type of book that you are doing as well. When we're doing a book where we're trying to convey something about a personal strength or a technique. In Psychology, there's something called modeling, not fashion modeling, but when we hear or see someone saying, or doing an attitude or a technique that we want to learn or emulate.

[00:27:24] It's great to read it, but there's something about hearing it, hearing someone else doing it. I think that makes it somehow a step easier for some people at least to take that on and grow from it. So I'm a big fan of the audible books myself. Well, David Perez has been such a pleasure to chat with you and I hope I'll get to see you on America's Got Talent again.

[00:27:49] And I talked to the producer. I'm just getting my body back up. I used to be able to lift two women over my head and walk them around the room. Right now, I just got to the skill lifting with one arm over my head and I'm working with my partner as we speak, and I called them.

[00:28:09] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: We'll next time I come to New york will you lift me up? I’m not that big.

[00:28:14] David Paris: I can. And it looks like you are married. I can teach your husband how to do it too. I love teaching it as well. So I will lift you. Also teach your husband to lift you. And that's my other pleasure. I love teaching. I love teaching it to anybody and any size, by the way.

[00:28:31] Not that somebody who's well, Zoe can lift me. She's a hundred pounds and as of this morningI’m 266. So you'd be surprised at what is possible with good technique.

[00:28:41] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: That's fabulous. I think that's a metaphor for life. We'd be surprised what is possible with good technique, David. Thanks so much. It's been a pleasure.

[00:28:51] David Paris: Pleasure for me too. Thank you so much.

[00:28:52] Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Take care. Bye.

[00:28:54] Wow. That was definitely an interesting interview. I really didn't know quite what to expect. David has so many hats that he wears. It was really interesting to just have the chance to talk with him about all of the different areas where he goes in life as many high functioning people do. Whether it be in his dance or being an author or that social-emotional side as well.

[00:29:18] What incredible social and emotional intelligence he has, and also such a warm and relatable person. So thanks for taking the time to check out the interview with David Paris. I hope to see you again at the next interview. Or if you want to conduct on Instagram or YouTube. In all the different areas, I'm pretty much everywhere. So looking forward to connecting with you, wherever best. Till the next time. Take care.

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